Do You Agree with me?
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StratMan172
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 18 Nov 2005 06:19 pm
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On your 8th and 9th podcasts, you guys talk about a 12 year old who downloaded 4 movies off of Imesh and is being fined a rediculous amount, something like $600,000 by the MPAA. I just want to say that a 12 year old is way more than capable of knowing what he is doing is not right. At 12 years old I was making basic HTML webpages. After all the talk about the RIAA, a 12 year old would more than likely know what he is doing is wrong. $600,000 dollars is a rediculous amount of money for 4 movies that as you guys also said are quite terrible anyways. The fact that he owned 2 or 3 of them should be a different story. Anyways, the MPAA and RIAA shouldn't go after people like this, they should be going after the people that are ripping their DVDs onto the Internet for illegal downloads. I think a person should only be fined for no more than 2 times the cost of the dvd unless they are the ones that are ripping them onto the internet, in that case a large fine sounds acceptable.
Remember, you wouldn't steal a handbag, you wouldn't steal a purse LOL JK. |
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Nikcon
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18 Nov 2005 09:18 pm
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This whole case is, like I've said, odd. I'm glad it's been made a discussion here.
About your idea of suing someone for double the cost of the DVD(s) ... even when you're not a "seeder" you're still distributing what you've downloaded.
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"I personally didn't do it, and I wouldn't do it," AP has Lawrence saying. "But I don't think it was anything but an innocent mistake my grandson made."
He said his grandson, 12 at the time, downloaded the movies out of curiosity, and without knowing it was illegal, and deleted the files immediately. |
An innocent mistake his grandson man four times? These movies, also, don't come into your computer in a few minutes. A Xvid encoded movie is about 700 - 800 mb (depending on movie length, etc.). A DSL connection can download that (assuming there are proper seeders and leechers) somewhere in between 2 - 4 movies. Assuming each movie took 4 hours to download, that's FOUR HOURS where a red flag should've been thrown somewhere.
There's another thing that bothers me. This kid is simply too technically apt to know what he is doing is wrong. Barring the fact he may think movies are made by the cinema fairies, you PAY TO SEE A MOVIE IN THEATERS! How is that not the BIGGEST red flag of them all?
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| "The suit was filed after Lawrence refused a March offer to settle the matter by paying $4,000," |
I bet he's wishing he paid the 4 grand now.
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| Remember, you wouldn't steal a handbag, you wouldn't steal a purse LOL JK. |
You know, I still don't know how he finishes that line. |
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StratMan172
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18 Nov 2005 09:36 pm
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| Remember, you wouldn't steal a handbag, you wouldn't steal a purse LOL JK. |
I dunno how he finishes it either, I was hoping one of you finished it in the podcast but I believe it was Thom that just couldn't stand it.
Anyways, I definitley think the kid knew what he was doing and that it was wrong.
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"I personally didn't do it, and I wouldn't do it," AP has Lawrence saying. "But I don't think it was anything but an innocent mistake my grandson made."
He said his grandson, 12 at the time, downloaded the movies out of curiosity, and without knowing it was illegal, and deleted the files immediately. |
After reading this, I cant help but laugh because theres no way it was an "innocent mistake". After the huge deal a few years back with music piracy and napster and all this 12 year old had to of known that it is illegal to download movies. I guess I have to contradict myself though because maybe this kid thought it wasnt a problem if he owned the movies which he did own some of them.
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| He said his grandson, 12 at the time, downloaded the movies out of curiosity, and without knowing it was illegal, and deleted the files immediately. |
This I find hard to swallow. There is no need to download a movie that you already own "out of curiosity" that is a very shallow excuse. If someone is curious, they probably arent going to spend 2-4 hours for a 700 mb dvd rip of a movie. They can just download a smaller clip file of maybe a TV show. Why would they be curious to download something that they already own a hard copy of? I also doubt that he deleted the files immediately. If he did delete them immediately I dont think he would've gotten caught. If I remember right, the MPAA is going after the people who are making these movies available. If the movies were deleted immediatley, they wouldn't have been shared by the 12 year old on a peer-to-peer file sharing network. the MPAA more than likely goes on to these programs and downloads them and then traces the IP adresses of those who are seeding the file to them.
Overall, I guess no matter what, both sides are understandable. The $600,000 fine will NEVER be understandable to me or anyone else in their right mind.
P.S. Can you please give me a link to the article? Thanks. |
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Thom
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18 Nov 2005 09:46 pm
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My thinking is this: Kid already owns the movies, three of them anyway. Maybe he wants to watch them on his computer, or in some capacity in which he can't play the DVDs. Isn't it possible that he thought it was ok to download that which he already owned? Kinda like the whole deal back when websites said, "you can only download this MP3 or ROM if you already own an existing copy," etc.
Eh, y'know the fact that they're asking as much as $600,000 makes me want to side with the kid more so. To hell if whether he's innocent, or innocent enough. |
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Thom
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18 Nov 2005 09:50 pm
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Oh, the full "You wouldn't steal..." thing is this:
YOU WOULDN'T STEAL A CAR (...see kid eyeing parked car)
YOU WOULDN'T STEAL A HANDBAG
YOU WOULDN'T STEAL A TELEVISION (...shadowy figures heisting TV from apartment)
YOU WOULDN'T STEAL A DVD
DOWNLOADING PIRATED FILMS IS STEALING
STEALING IS AGAINST THE LAW
It's a stupid little intro that Fox puts on its DVDs. Psshyeah, right, like that'll help. The only people who will see it our the people buying or renting legit copies and now have to fast forward (or worse, just sit and watch) through the thirty seconds of torture. |
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Reel Monkey
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18 Nov 2005 09:53 pm
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Oh, the full "You wouldn't steal..." thing is this:
YOU WOULDN'T STEAL A CAR (...see kid eyeing parked car)
YOU WOULDN'T STEAL A HANDBAG
YOU WOULDN'T STEAL A TELEVISION (...shadowy figures heisting TV from apartment)
YOU WOULDN'T STEAL A DVD
DOWNLOADING PIRATED FILMS IS STEALING
STEALING IS AGAINST THE LAW
It's a stupid little intro that Fox puts on its DVDs. Psshyeah, right, like that'll help. The only people who will see it our the people buying or renting legit copies and now have to fast forward (or worse, just sit and watch) through the thirty seconds of torture. |
Actually, that used to be tacked on to the beginning of a lot of the movies ray and i would go to about a year or two ago. we saw them pretty regularly at the theatre. I haven't seen one on rental yet, but I also don't rent as much as I used to.
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StratMan172
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18 Nov 2005 09:55 pm
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Oh, the full "You wouldn't steal..." thing is this:
YOU WOULDN'T STEAL A CAR (...see kid eyeing parked car)
YOU WOULDN'T STEAL A HANDBAG
YOU WOULDN'T STEAL A TELEVISION (...shadowy figures heisting TV from apartment)
YOU WOULDN'T STEAL A DVD
DOWNLOADING PIRATED FILMS IS STEALING
STEALING IS AGAINST THE LAW
It's a stupid little intro that Fox puts on its DVDs. Psshyeah, right, like that'll help. The only people who will see it our the people buying or renting legit copies and now have to fast forward (or worse, just sit and watch) through the thirty seconds of torture. |
Thats absolutely rediculous to put that on DVD's. That is obviously going to be cut from a ripped copy so the only people seeing it will be the ones that bought the movie who dont steal DVD's
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| Isn't it possible that he thought it was ok to download that which he already owned? Kinda like the whole deal back when websites said, "you can only download this MP3 or ROM if you already own an existing copy," etc. |
I totally agree and I think that he should be let off to a HUGE extent for those 3 DVD's. If you own a movie,game,cd or any other type of media, I believe that it is legal to make as many personal copies at once as long as they are only being used one at a time. But the whole thing about him seeding these files comes up which in my opinion, led to him getting caught.
If the grandfather and grandson fight this case, I think that they will get the fine cut way down below the $600,000 |
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