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Post08 Aug 2005 08:09 am
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Ok guys & gals... Here's the deal. We are going to do a podcast. Yes we are. (FYI, a podcast is like a syndicated, downloadable radio show.) However, there are a few questions to tackle.

What equipment is needed?
If you wish to participate, you'll need:
  • Skype. We'll use this for net-based conference calls. (Voice over Internet Protocol or VoIP.) Google's rumored to be unveiling voice chat in the next few days... If so, we might consider that as an alternative.
  • A good headset. Preferably USB, but anything with an earphone and a mic that sounds good will work. A headset is essential to avoid echo.
  • Audacity. Or any sound recorder more advanced than Sound Recorder. But Audacity is cross-platform and free, so I can easily provide tech support.
  • 500 MB hard disk space. Actually, less than that. But we'll each be using Audacity to locally record our mic input (in case we have problems with Skype's call quality) so 20-30 minutes of talking could add up to a few hundred megs of space.

So how much will it cost one of us to get started? Most of it's free: Skype and Audacity cost nothing to use. Anyone with a computer less than a few years old should have 500 MB free space, and if you don't, take one for the team--delete some of your porn/MP3 collection.

The only thing that will cost money is a headset, and that doesn't have to cost you more than $35, unless you want it to. (Just to put it out there, I just bought a headset for $60, so I've taken the plunge.)

Who will take part in the podcasts?
  • A Skype conference will hold four people plus a "silent" client used to record the Skype audio.
  • I'd love to participate in a podcast, and I'm willing to be the week-to-week anchor of the "show".
  • Phil, my brother (and former staffer "The Doorman") can be in on it. He's got a good voice for radio, and this way we wouldn't have to worry about his spelling mistakes. (In joke to anyone who's edited one of his three-or-so reviews.)
  • Mac made a good point tonight. It will take some time & mental effort to do a podcast. He didn't say it, but he and Monkey both already spend a lot of time and effort on maintaining the site, so it might be a bit much to rely on the two of them for podcasting as well. With that in mind...
  • Who else would like to participate? Tom, you brought up the idea of a net radio show earlier today... would you like to be a part? Anybody else? It wouldn't have to be a week-to-week commitment, we can have dibs or a rotation or something.


What will we call this thing?
SMART-POPCORN.com Podcast? Smart-Popcast? iPopcorn: Like iCandy for your ears? iPopper? iCorner? (Actually I think all the relevant iNames are taken.) iKettle? Corn on the Pod?

Or I was thinking, perhaps, Kettle Corner... Sort of an ambiguous play on words. How about iDunno. Razz

...

Anyhow, for those of you who still want to know what all this fuss is about, Phil and I recorded a sample podcast this weekend. You can check it out here:
http://www.myspace.com/smartpopcasts



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Post16 Aug 2005 12:37 am
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I like both ideas, though I don't know if my podcast would attract many listeners as my music can be difficult for a lot of people.

Anything I could do to help?
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Post16 Aug 2005 04:24 am
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Bachalon wrote:
I like both ideas, though I don't know if my podcast would attract many listeners as my music can be difficult for a lot of people.

Anything I could do to help?


Due to the fact that we're a movie review site, I highly doubt we would be broadcasting music over syndicated movie shows or even our own personal debates or verbal 5 minute review type thing.

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Post16 Aug 2005 08:29 am
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If we're to do a podcast, we may make a few small jingles to fill out the intro and the fade-out, just so that it sounds a little better than talking heads. But we won't really need any music, no.
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Post16 Aug 2005 08:49 am
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If we're to do a podcast, we may make a few small jingles to fill out the intro and the fade-out, just so that it sounds a little better than talking heads. But we won't really need any music, no.


ALL METALLICA ALL THE TIME!

Oh yeah baby! Razz

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Post16 Aug 2005 09:49 am
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I was thinking about it... "Dun du-dun duh DUNH dunh.. Dun dun DUNH dun dun DUN..."

SMAAAAART KIND OF POP-COOOOOORN!!!!
Evil Grin Professor Popcorn Evil Grin Professor Popcorn Evil Grin Professor Popcorn Evil Grin Professor Popcorn Evil Grin Professor Popcorn Evil Grin Professor Popcorn Evil Grin Professor Popcorn Evil Grin Professor Popcorn Evil Grin Professor Popcorn Evil Grin
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Post16 Aug 2005 11:11 am
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Mac has an awesome Jaws track... we should so try to send it to you someday. its sooooo awesome. you'd love it.

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Post19 Aug 2005 10:59 am
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Ok, I've fiddled with Skype a bit and have been starting to think (overthink) how to record a good quality show. TWit (this WEEK in TECH) is definitely the best podcast I've listened to, and their audio quality is good... But upon looking at their setup, it's clear they've invested hundreds if not thousands of dollars on equipment. No gracias.

But I think I've come up with a much cheaper & relatively simpler solution that would cost us no more than $50-60 apiece. Skype allows for five-way conference calls, which is more than enough for our needs, and we can take advantage of that. Here's the proposed setup:

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Skype Client 1
Thom          --------.
(Headset Mic)         |
Recording: Mic In     |
                      |
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Skype Client 2        |
Mac & Monkey  --------|
(Headset Mics)        |
Recording: Mic In     |                   Skype Client 5
                      |---- Skype ------- "Professor Popcorn"
                      |                   (Silent Client)
                      |                   Recording: Skype Audio
Skype Client 3/4      |
Special Guests  ------'
(Headset Mics)
Recording: Mic In (Optional)



We'd each be recording our own mic input locally (to the hard drive), and when we're done, everybody would send me their files. The Skype client #5, "Professor Popcorn", would be calling from my notebook, simply listening in w/ the Skype audio so that we can synch up all the other audio tracks later.

Depending on how regular or how "special" our special guests are, they can call in using the same setup as us. (I figure any other staffers that want to participate will use this setup.) There's also the opportunity with Skype to call a landline so we can talk to some guests over their regular telephone. (In that case, we can mix in the Skype track to get their audio.)

I can mix everything in Vegas, and even add in a soundtrack and/or audio clips from movies. So the only things any of us would need to buy are the headset mics. TWiT recommends the Plantronics DSP-100, which is a little pricey at $70, but I think we can shop around and find one that's cheaper & still suitable for our needs.
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Post19 Aug 2005 01:54 pm
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Just collecting some info:

$48.99 - Plantronics DSP400
$61.99 - Plantronics DSP500

Both good models, and great prices... $30 under suggested retail. (Includes shipping.) Newegg is a very reliable site, too.
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Post20 Aug 2005 05:42 am
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This one might be good for Mac & Monkey, or anyone else who may "pair up" in the conferences:

$35 - Audio 45
The fact that it's got a mini-jack-to-USB converter should allow the use of audio splitters, in turn allowing for an additional headset (like the Audio 40) to be connected. This might sacrifice some audio quality, but it'll free up bandwidth and one of the Skype call slots, and would be considerably cheaper than buying two headsets.

BTW, I bought a DSP500 for myself today... I should get it next week, and will report back on the audio quality. (I'm sure it's fine... I use a Plantronics wireless headset at work and it sounds pretty good, though a bit hissy.)

- - - - -

In other news, Phil and I messed around with Skype today, recording a conference call in the setup listed above, and the quality was very good... We might not even have to rely on local recordings. We might fiddle around some more and upload a mock podcast so everyone can see what it would be like.
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Post21 Aug 2005 04:41 pm
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Set up a MySpace Music account, and uploaded our "Skype iLot" pilot episode. Peep it:

http://www.myspace.com/smartpopcasts

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Post23 Aug 2005 07:00 pm
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Well, I got my headset today... Man are they good. They're so crisp & clear, that they render most of the music & sounds on my computer unlistenable.
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Post23 Aug 2005 08:24 pm
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I liked the little note I made on there... I-Pop

I thought it was cute and catchy.

oooo or like Pop-Cast or Smart-Pod. omg there is an endless list of catchy neat titles!!!

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Post23 Aug 2005 11:07 pm
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I'm gonna bump this now that it's in the General Discussion forum. Come on, y'all... A little less conversation, a little more action. Actually, more conversation would be fine.
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Post23 Aug 2005 11:35 pm
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Ok, can I use headphones and the microphone separately?

If not, I can pick up a headset easily enough.
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That setup might work. In fact, that's how we recorded the test podcast (not that it sounded great). The main problem with that is you can get a lot of boom noise and stuff, but if you do alright without it, that's fine.
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see this is why we need more girls. who am I supposed to do a girlie podcast with. I mean, we have to have something out there for the chickies.

I'm telling you, we're going to get sued someday for lack of women. Discrimination or something.

I know you were talking about length and all that, but even listening to your test cast, a lot of that could have been shorter and you technically don't need to tackle... did you do three movies? I know Virgin and Red-Eye? God its too early in the morning for this.. Anyways.

But if we actually are serious about this we absolutely need the dedication. It just sucks for me, because all of you are always doing stuff late at night and, well... I work at the crack of down every day. So while part of me would love to participate, I feel my schedule would hinder my ability to take part in this with you. PLUS we're going to have time zone problems.

What I think would be really fun, though, is find certain groups of people from the staff who would be fun to put together. Like Evan and Al = TeenCorn or something or all our TX people and call is Tex-Pop. I don't know. But ya' know what I mean? But like with the columns, we should get some standard shows started that would focus on certain things that our listeners would want to hear about or would intrigue them and then dive in.

I actually am a bit too nervous, despite my excitement, to participate, because in conversation (especially with Mac), I am easily dominated because of my meek personality (YEAH YOU HEARD ME YOU GOT A PROBLEM WITH THAT!), so I actually don't think I'd work well in a group show, purely for the reason that I don't have a strong enough presence and sometimes the only way to be strong is to be a bitch. Its that whole competeing for conversational time (especially against Mac).

Anyways. I really gotta leave and get off to work. LATES!!

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Thom wrote:
This one might be good for Mac & Monkey, or anyone else who may "pair up" in the conferences:

$35 - Audio 45
The fact that it's got a mini-jack-to-USB converter should allow the use of audio splitters, in turn allowing for an additional headset (like the Audio 40) to be connected. This might sacrifice some audio quality, but it'll free up bandwidth and one of the Skype call slots, and would be considerably cheaper than buying two headsets.


Ok, so here's the set-up:
Mac has his computer over there ------->
I have my computer over here <--------------
Like an L, but flipped upside down.

The only thing we share is the cable connection through a router. So, um... I wouldn't want to maybe share his computer if at all possible because we don't share computers (or computer chairs) very well. I supposedly put too much shit on his computer. So our main goal would be to use our own computers.

So... is that still what we would use? or would we each need individual things? Or because of the connection, do you absolutely need us to share?

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see this is why we need more girls. who am I supposed to do a girlie podcast with. I mean, we have to have something out there for the chickies.

From what I've listened to, women are grossly, grossly outnumbered in the podcast culture. Like, Christina-Applegate-in-Anchorman outnumbered. The very few women I have heard on podcasts are usually one half of a "couple cast", which are hardly the most interesting and entertaining podcasts.

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I'm telling you, we're going to get sued someday for lack of women. Discrimination or something.

There'd have to be women to discriminate against first.

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I know you were talking about length and all that, but even listening to your test cast, a lot of that could have been shorter...

Certainly, that's why it was a test cast.

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...and you technically don't need to tackle... did you do three movies? I know Virgin and Red-Eye?

Virgin, Red-Eye, and Dukes. Actually I'd like to cover more movies, just a considerably shorter amount of time dedicated to each topic. Maybe a "news in review" section, and site news, too.

We'd actually recorded two more segments (a "preview review" about Just Like Heaven and a recap of the X3 Agdashloo casting) that pushed the total running time to like 45 minutes. Fortunately for you guys, the second half was unlistenable because of problems with Phil's computer.

What we need is more structure. The TWiT cast runs LONG, but they also cover something on the order of 20-30 topics, because they know what's on the itinerary, and they know the points they want to make. For the test cast, I had made up a short list of topics, but no real outline nor any indication of the amount of time we'd like to dedicate to each part.

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But if we actually are serious about this we absolutely need the dedication. It just sucks for me, because all of you are always doing stuff late at night and, well... I work at the crack of down every day. So while part of me would love to participate, I feel my schedule would hinder my ability to take part in this with you. PLUS we're going to have time zone problems.

I can probably do it between 6-7 my time, which is what, 8-9 or 9-10 your time, depending on DST. Or if we do it on weekends, I can do it any time of day.

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What I think would be really fun, though, is find certain groups of people from the staff who would be fun to put together. Like Evan and Al = TeenCorn or something or all our TX people and call is Tex-Pop.

Let's name the podcast itself before we name sub-gropus of staffers. Razz

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I don't know. But ya' know what I mean? But like with the columns, we should get some standard shows started that would focus on certain things that our listeners would want to hear about or would intrigue them and then dive in.

One standard show with different segments, for now. Podcast listeners want consistency or they're likely to unsubscribe.

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I actually am a bit too nervous, despite my excitement, to participate, because in conversation (especially with Mac), I am easily dominated because of my meek personality (YEAH YOU HEARD ME YOU GOT A PROBLEM WITH THAT!), so I actually don't think I'd work well in a group show, purely for the reason that I don't have a strong enough presence and sometimes the only way to be strong is to be a bitch. Its that whole competeing for conversational time (especially against Mac).

If you're worried about that, we could try alternating between the two of you. We can always just fiddle around w/ some more test podcasts to see who & what works and what doesn't.

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The only thing we share is the cable connection through a router. So, um... I wouldn't want to maybe share his computer if at all possible because we don't share computers (or computer chairs) very well. I supposedly put too much shit on his computer. So our main goal would be to use our own computers.

If you were to "share", basically all you'd be sharing is audio in/out cables. In fact, you could probably run extensions (we're just talking about regular 1/8" jacks) from his desk to yours, or vice versa. But if that doesn't work...

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is that still what we would use? or would we each need individual things? Or because of the connection, do you absolutely need us to share?

No... Technically it should still work fine if you each connect from your own computer. It only limits our flexibility in terms of how many people we can have on a call, but that might not be a problem anyhow.

However, if you don't share, you will each need a headset. In that case, you might look at some different models, depending on how often you each expect to participate, and how many of them you'll do together. If the both of you aren't always on every call, it might be better to get one good headset to share (like the DSP400) and one cheapie (this or any old thing from Wally World/Best Buy). It doesn't need to be a USB.


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Post24 Aug 2005 09:42 am
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By the way...

I wrote:
Google's rumored to be unveiling voice chat in the next few days... If so, we might consider that as an alternative.

It's been released:
http://www.google.com/talk/

No conference calling yet, but let's keep watching and see what features they add. And for anyone who uses Gmail, it's worth taking a look at. (PM me for my gmail username if you wanna test it.)
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