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Post20 Aug 2005 11:22 am
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Really? I haven't seen it but, damn, that's high. I don't think I've ever given any movie a 100 for either, including the films I thought were the best of the year.
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Post20 Aug 2005 11:50 am
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It was mildly entertaining and overall pretty underwhelming, so no, it didn't really deserve 100 popcorn. Or 93 smarts for that matter. But whatever.
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Post20 Aug 2005 12:19 pm
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Ya, I was kind of suprised when I saw that also... Some of you were probably suprised with my 93 S 94 P. of my Date With Drew Razz
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Post20 Aug 2005 04:43 pm
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For the record, I addressed Reel Hero's grade of Four Brothers and he is supposed to get back to me in regards to it. I went ahead and put the review up because it's new and needs to be able to seen by our readers.

I will not post my entire statement in regards to it as part of it is specific to him and his grade, but I will post another part of it that applies to everyone and should be read and noted by all staff members for the future.

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I try to let people grade their movies as they will. I never tell them their grade is WRONG. I am perfectly okay with you really really liking [a] film and by all means give it a generous score, but I would [ask that you make sure] your numbers match what you genuinely feel about the movie. I've only given 2 100 entertainments on S-P and they're both to movies generally LOVED by the entire world...heh. And 90s in general I don't give away more to more than 3 or 4 new movies a year if that. That's all I'm saying. If you can say [a movie] is your favorite movie this year and if you think it was [near flawless in smarts or popcorn, I will support any high grade you give a film.]


Most often when I have a problem with a grade I do not put the review up until the writer gets back to me with a defense of their stance to avoid this very sort of thread (and another one of our writers has also taken issue with the grade through IM). This time I did not since it was the only review we had for the film thus far and it's #1 this week. Apparently that was a bad choice.

That said, if it is Mike's opinion that the film is as well crafted as his review and score denote, I would ask that you respect that opinion and debate it in a respectful manner.
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Post20 Aug 2005 05:29 pm
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If that's his honest opinion, it's all fine and dandy. I was just surprised to see a film net a perfect score in a category. I don't know if we have any others that have? Someone want to look that up? I'm lazy.

Nevermind, I did it myself. My cutting off point was 95 for either ranking. Here's a list of what S-P reviewers think are some of the best films of all time. Note, this isn't meant to be mean-spirited, but just fulfilling a curiosity of what other films received such high rankings.

100 Popcorn, 100 Smarts, X-Men 2 – by both Rhonda and The Doorman
100 Smarts, Eternal Sunshine – by Gnome
100 Popcorn, 98 Smarts, Amelie – Thom
100 Popcorn, Ghostbusters – by Mac
100 Smarts, Galaxy Quest – by Motpic
99 Smarts, 90 Popcorn, Return of the King – by Mac
99 Popcorn, 90 Smarts, The Matrix Reloaded – by Rhonda
98 Popcorn, 90 Smarts, Spider-Man 2 – by Thom
98 smarts, 92 Popcorn, Lost in Translation (my #1 movie of 2003) – by Boxman
98 Smarts, Before Sunset – by Sprouticus
98 Smarts, 12 Monkeys – by Mac
98 Popcorn, Spellbound – by Boxman
98 Smarts, 90 Popcorn, 2046 – by sparkster
97 Popcorn, 93 Smarts, City of God (My co-#1 movie of 2002) – by Boxman
97 Smarts, 95 Popcorn, Come and See – by Matt
97 Popcorn, The Two Towers – by Dante
97 Smarts, 96 Popcorn, Johnny Stecchino – by Dante
97 Smarts, 90 Popcorn, Kill Bill vol. 2 – by Boxman
97 Popcorn, 95 Smarts, Revenge of the Sith – by Slash
96 Popcorn, The Two Towers – by Reel Monkey
96 Popcorn, Malibu’s Most Wanted – by Thom
95 Popcorn, Malibu’s Most Wanted – by Dante
95 Popcorn, Daredevil – by Jeff
95 Smarts, Daredevil – by The Doorman
95 Popcorn, Jackass: The Movie – by Dante
95 smarts, 90 Popcorn, Revenge of the Sith – by Toho
95 Smarts, Dogville – by Mac
95 Smarts, 95 Popcorn, Sideways – by Al Q
95 Popcorn, Pirates of the Caribbean – by Arctrus
95 smarts, 95 Popcorn, Bruce Almighty – by Buttercup
95 Popcorn, X-Men 2 - by Buttercup
95 Smarts, Emma – by Motpic
95 Smarts, Blue Torch Trilogy – by Blue Meanie
95 Smarts, 90 Popcorn, Million Dollar Baby – by T.C.
95 Smarts, Eternal Sunshine – by Mac
95 Popcorn, Kill Bill vol. 1 – by Donnie
95 Popcorn, The Incredibles – by Boxman
95 Smarts, 90 Popcorn, 25th Hour – by The Ham
95 Popcorn, 90 Smarts, Goodbye Lenin! – by The Ham
95 Smarts, The Passion of the Christ - by Reel Monkey
95 smarts, 95 Popcorn, Jaws – by Slash
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Post20 Aug 2005 05:59 pm
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Here are the films that got 100's in the Popcorn category:
(at least the first 6)

and here are the films that got a 100 in the Smarts category:
(at least the first 4)
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Post20 Aug 2005 06:35 pm
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I CHALLENGE ANYONE TO GIVE ME A MORE ENTERTAINING MOVIE THAN GHOSTBUSTERS! I WILL CRUSH YOU IF YOU DARE!










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Post20 Aug 2005 07:03 pm
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96 Popcorn, Malibu’s Most Wanted – by Thom

D'oh! That's one of my old ones I meant to change a long time ago.
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Post20 Aug 2005 07:47 pm
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I agree entirely with Ghostbuster's 100 rating.
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Post20 Aug 2005 08:02 pm
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96 Popcorn, Malibu’s Most Wanted – by Thom

D'oh! That's one of my old ones I meant to change a long time ago.


Heh. Dark deeds from the past coming back to haunt you.
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Post20 Aug 2005 08:13 pm
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BTW, my beef with your Technocomedy reviews would not be that Ghostbusters scored a perfect '100', but that Back to the Future scored so low. Whaaah????
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Post20 Aug 2005 08:52 pm
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BTW, my beef with your Technocomedy reviews would not be that Ghostbusters scored a perfect '100', but that Back to the Future scored so low. Whaaah????


I enjoy BttF, and it's rewatchable and fun and great, but GB is just so quotable and burned into my psyche. Do you know how many times I've actually uttered:

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out loud? Too many times to be considered healthy. Back to the Future was more well rounded though. Check out the combined rating. 86 and 86. I'm not sure where you're going with this. Hitler
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Post21 Aug 2005 01:13 am
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Ghostbusters??

They say scent is the strongest trigger to memory, but I haven't thought about that movie in ages.

Just thinking about the title brings back fond memories of watching that and all the Star Trek movies with my brothers on lazy summer afternoons.

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Post22 Aug 2005 12:57 am
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100 for FOUR BROTHERS? That is very much like calling "The Stupids" an underestimated comic masterpiece. That is very much like Roger Ebert taking Vincent Gallo & Rob Schneider out for dinner. On what distant and unfortunate galaxy does FOUR BROTHERS receive such esteem? In this case, the only explanation is drug induced...something...


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That said, if it is Mike's opinion that the film is as well crafted as his review and score denote, I would ask that you respect that opinion and debate it in a respectful manner


As it turns out, it is his opinion and he has told me he firmly stands by it. It's his favorite film of the year, so I respect that.
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Post22 Aug 2005 01:08 am
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Yeah, I'm with Mac on this.

You may not agree, but his opinion is his regardles of his reasons.

If I see another good review, I might have to check it out myself.

I can think of worse ways to spend at the movies.
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Post22 Aug 2005 01:12 am
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I have heard pretty good things about Four Brothers, and it sounds like the type of movie that's bound to strongly affect a certain portion of its audience, so... makes sense.

Good job, Mike. Stick to your guns. Very Happy
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Post22 Aug 2005 01:15 am
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I do have that difference pass for AMC. It can't be worse than Supercross.

Unless there's a movie you guys would like me to see (the previously mentioned one excluded).
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Post25 Aug 2005 12:23 am
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I plan on giving a 100-100 to LOTR: ROTK whenever I review it.

In any event:

One thing I want to say about part of the #s, that doesn't always figure in, is that some of the scores are relative. Taking into account things like expectations or intentions. For example, I gave Mr. and Mrs. Smith S: 77 and P:83. Mr. and Mrs. Smith is a summer blockbuster, action flick, films that typically don't require a lot of thought. However, for an action summer blockbuster and its intentions, I thought it was smart and relatively crafted for within the field, so I adwarded it 77.

On the other hand, I also take expectations into account. So when I saw Alexander, I was especially dissappointed, perhaps a bit more so than I would have if it was an average director or poor director. Perhaps its biased, but its the honest truth. If you walk into a Steven Spielberg film and it was only ok, you feel gipped because Spielberg is supposed to be more than ok.
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I plan on giving a 100-100 to LOTR: ROTK whenever I review it.

In any event:

One thing I want to say about part of the #s, that doesn't always figure in, is that some of the scores are relative. Taking into account things like expectations or intentions. For example, I gave Mr. and Mrs. Smith S: 77 and P:83. Mr. and Mrs. Smith is a summer blockbuster, action flick, films that typically don't require a lot of thought. However, for an action summer blockbuster and its intentions, I thought it was smart and relatively crafted for within the field, so I adwarded it 77.

On the other hand, I also take expectations into account. So when I saw Alexander, I was especially dissappointed, perhaps a bit more so than I would have if it was an average director or poor director. Perhaps its biased, but its the honest truth. If you walk into a Steven Spielberg film and it was only ok, you feel gipped because Spielberg is supposed to be more than ok.


Pretty much all true.
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Post25 Aug 2005 09:34 am
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I'd agree, although in those cases I try to be fair with the numbers, and save the harshness for the written review. (ROTK is actually my example too. I was very disappointed, but my expectations were pretty high.)
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